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Good sound, video, individual equalizers per channel, automatic adjustment using supplied microphone, a direct mode for purer sound, and lots of other features I have not used yet. I am completely satisfied with it. It has enough inputs for my needs and I can spill over additional inputs to my TV if needed. This is the first time I bought a home theater system. Weeks of research pointed at this system.
But the Onkyo was very good too. They are great in up-converting digital video (HDMI). BUT both decode all SD and HD audio formats.SOUND PERFORMANCE:In terms, of actually hearing the receiver perform: I went to a local store (Fry's) and had a chance to hear both the Onkyo and Yamaha units perform. That means that the Onkyo should be able to play louder. It was the Onkyo's fame for running hot that concerned me.
I also can pump the volume up, and can never go above -15 dB before my wife screams at me to turn it down :) I also control my LN46A650 TV using the HTR-6160 remote. Furthermore, if you need to drive power hungry high-end speakers requiring 50-600W to work, none of the receivers in the HTR-6160 class would be a great choice. Sony probably does better, but allegedly at the expense of audio performance (at this price range).For decent video results you need a much more expensive pre-pro's or receivers (>>$2K) that use very high end video chips, or a dedicated video processor (like the $600 DVDO). Personally, I can live with that if the Yamaha delivers in terms of sound performance for the $$$.TEMPERATURE:If you do not have 8 inches above your receiver for proper ventilation, you may have issues with Onkyos and Pioneers, but not with this Yamaha.My main concern with the Onkyo was not necessarily that its audio performance was not satisfactory (in fact, its numbers are quite good and you can crank up the volume more than you can with the 663 so that your neighbor's neighbor can enjoy your music). The Yamaha sound is described by one word: AMAZING.(April 26, 09: It seems this receiver uses toroidal transformers and Burr Brown quality DAC, while it seems Onkyo and similarly priced receivers do not have such quality in their audio components)The RX-V663/HTR-6160 power consumption according to the manual is 400W, and the SR-606 is 120V*5.5A = 660W. This is substantial since most high end small and medium speakers (and some entry level towers) would probably get destroyed when driven by 150W/Ch continuous power. Since I don't have an open cabinet for the receiver, this scared me away from the Onkyo.Two of my friends had their receivers die due to heating problems, so this is indeed a concern.
The Onkyo is usually $400, but you may find it for $350 as well. I do not feel my system bright at all, and I can definitively hear incredible audio detail out of it through the speakers.I have my receiver connected to my LN46A650 TV and my WD HD TV hard drive player (1080P), and I have had no problems so far running HDMI video through the receiver (because I'm not up converting), or decoding audio at all. On Onkyo's defense though, my friend's receivers where not Onkyo nor Yamaha (point is overheating should not be overlooked in closed spaces).PRICEThe price for the HTR6160 can go as low as $350 (RX-V663 can go that low as well), just depends on the vendor and the time. Both are well known, well liked receivers.
this is really a 7.2 system, not 7.1). In stereo mode, the Yamaha OUTPERFORMED NOT ONLY THE SR-606, BUT THE Rotel RX-1057 "450W" (Rotel has a reputation for understating their power numbers) receiver as well in terms of THD.However, there are no miracles. Like previously stated the Rotel and Onkyo have larger power supplies and can drive 5 and 7 speakers with more power than the Yamaha before distortion takes over. Some people say this receiver is bright, and some others are warm. In the 5 channel measurements (and 7) the Yamaha apparently loss ground significantly to both the Rotel and the Onkyo: 112.1W/Ch (Rotel to 4 ohms), 109.4W/Ch (Onkyo to 4 ohms), and 74.9W/Ch (Yamaha to 4 ohms).Now, if you bought typical small home-theater 5.1 speakers, each satellite tends to require 40W nominal, and can tolerate a maximum of 100W before they start getting damaged.
You can get a priority 4 port HDMI switch for your Yamaha for $30, but it is an inconvenience. SUMMARY: Great Sound, Good video switching, Decodes all HD sound formats, Great DSP features, tremendous value, Pre-Outs upgradable. But analog sources are a little trickier.If video up-conversion is a deal breaker for you, consider pairing this receiver with a video processor for a better job and less $$$.HDMI:One thing this receiver does not have that the Onkyo does is 4 HDMI inputs. Not many receivers in the HTR-6160 class offer 7.2 pre-outs.Yamaha often gets criticized because they claim 95W into 7 channels (probably dynamic power or peak power). The Yamaha is popular because of its great sound fidelity and quality, has pre-outs (unlike the SR606 and many other receivers at this price range), and 2 subwoofer outputs (instead of 1 - i.e.
However, 400W is already plenty for a small/medium room and it seems that with in the power specs of the Yamaha, it does seem to do a better job in paper than the Onkyo:According to HT Labs, in stereo mode (2 channel) the Yamaha was able to perform bellow 0.02% THD @150W continuous in stereo mode. I was interested in buying an A/V receiver and was undecided between the Onkyo SR606 and the Yamaha RXV663 (aka HTR-6160BL), given what I'd read about them. Onkyo SR-606 is not much better with their infamous borders around 1080i up-conversion. Note that both receivers do poorly in video up conversion. I liked the Yamaha sound better (more detail).
That means Yamaha's marketing (and some other brands) may be a bit misleading, but the receiver is fairly good considering their power consumption rating.VIDEO:In terms of video up-conversion, this and current receivers in this price range are not great performers (with Sony usually reviewed as the top performer at the expense of audio).This receiver (HTR-6160) is probably at the bottom of the pack when it comes to up-conversion. Rotel RX-1057 usually sells for more than $1K.OTHER RECEIVERS (PRICE AND FEATURE RANGE):HTR-6260/RXV665: Has more HDMI inputs and probably better video upconversion. The Onkyo SR606 seems more popular due to the number of HDMI inputs, 1080i up conversion (though fairly buggy), and decent performance. But it has a smaller power supply, and if people criticize the 663 about its power against its peers, 665 would probably be seen more as a pre/pro than a receiver (and an expensive pre/pro for its feature set)RXV765: Seems like a 663 with better video stuff, but at almost 2X the price. In fact it either does nothing (probably best) or up-converts analog signals to 480p (with a lot of issues).
UltimageAVmag actually measured the temperature after the 7 channel test, and the thermometer read 135 degrees. The receiver also has a graphic equalizer that should tailor things to your taste a bit more. It has pre-outs as well. With 7 channels driven continuously, according to HT Labs the Yamaha 663 can only muster 46.9W (Onkyo gives 63.2W). Well, after I ran the YPAO calibration it seems the receiver equalized that out (Onkyo's - and other receiver's - Audyssey should do the same).
UNLESS, you use the pre-outs of this receiver along with a separate audio amplifier. In this price range, other brands like Marantz might be worth checking out.Pioneer VSX-1018: Just like the RXV765, but runs a bit hot and it seems discontinued.HK-254: Worth considering as well.I would mention Denon, but like Onkyo, at this price range NO PRE-OUTS: No way to upgrade power for higher end speakers down the road.PERSONAL THOUGHTS:Now that I have this unit, I can say that paired with a 5.1 Mirage Nanosat system, this receiver rocks my living room and I could not be happier. Both receivers offer great value. I placed my hand on the top of both receivers while @ Fry's, and the Onkyo did run substantially hotter than the Yamaha. Many receivers rate their power using continuous power numbers (which is rarely the case in real life).
How about in my living room. Based on this, this Yamaha receiver should run them effortlessly.
Pioneers are generally the most aggressive sounding but are also very clear. The new Yamaha 665 amp probably has all the features you want but guess what. That just shows how well this Yamaha's circuits are isolated, no grounding issues at all. I was aware of this issue before purchasing but did not consider it critical as other brands have their own sets of problems that are far worse and related to audio, especially Onkyo. I am very satisfied with my purchase. For example, I am supposed to read 95db for 61 watts at a distance of 4 meters from the front speakers (speaker sensitivity specifies the SPL level for 1 watt power at 1 meter, add 3dB whenever power doubles and substract 6db whenever distance doubles ).
Some of you already know that after running auto setup your system is calibrated to output 105dB SPL at your listening position when the volume is set to 0dB and the input signal level is also 0dB (max). YPAO was very accurate with speaker distances and sizes but it failed with levels in my case. With 5 channels driven the output is almost 50% of specifications but that only makes a difference of 3db and in real world conditions no DVD soundtrack has all channels maxed out so I wouldn't worry about it. Because these bands were fixed I could not manually outperform YPAO for orchestral music but at least I managed to get distortion guitars to sound more aggressive for rocking. Yamahas appear to follow a more balanced "engineered" approach and the RX-V663 certainly falls into that category.
The sharpness and clarity was amazing. Even though the 663 utilizes Burr Brown DACs which offer the best signal-to-noise ratio and dynamic range (even better than Analog Devices) they will prefer using their CD player's DAC with direct analog amplification. I would categorize Yamaha among clear sounding amplifiers along with Pio, Onkyo and Sony. For other forms of music I suggest you switch to the 7 band graphic equalizer (per speaker). Yamaha engineers misinterpreted HDMI specs last year therefore this receiver clips blacker than black (235) of any video passing through HDMI.
You can set the maximum volume in the menus so you don't accidentally go over.Many people in the audio community consider Yamaha's YPAO auto setup inferior to Denon's Audyssey. That means I will never get distortion as long as the volume is set below -10dB (95-105) and probably around -8db in real world conditions. Its difficult or almost impossible to find an equalization that suits all applications. The good news is that I never had to turn the volume above -17db (very loud) which means the Yamaha 663 is powerful enough for most people with decent sized rooms and we still got plenty of headroom. I set the front/surround balance by ear.The "Pure Direct" mode is probably for audiophiles who do not want to use the amp's DACs because they believe transient signal peaks will drain power from the DACs and degrade tone. This receiver is at the bottom end of Yamaha's mid-range product line and it is a bargain at that. That will certainly add depth to cheap speakers, enough to fool most people. I listen to mostly rock or metal; the setup sounded too bright to me and the midrange frequencies although clear were somewhat distant.
Unfortunately you won't be able to use sound fields with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master sources probably because the chip is busy decoding but you can have your player decode the audio and send it over as PCM in which case you can use sound fields as long as the signal is sampled under 192kHz. Since we know our speaker's sensitivity, we can calculate the sound pressure level at our listening position when the amplifier is outputting 61 or 126 watts. Before I begin let me state that if you are from the "features come before sound quality" school of thought you shouldn't waste any time reading this review. Oh and turn on the parametric equalizer of course.
The workaround is to set the PS3 to output RBG limited range (which is default) or use an HDMI splitter so video runs directly to your TV and audio to your amp. European customers also beware, the European 663 model does not support banana plugs.This receiver has been tested by German "Audio" magazine and lab results indicate it outputs 61 watts RMS per channel with 5 channels driven continously and 126 watts per channel in stereo. Personally I'm not that obsessed but I do use "Pure Direct" when I hook up my guitar multi-effects pedal to the amp as I don't want my guitar tone to be degraded by a second analog/digital conversion and don't want to add extra processing delays.I don't really use DSP programs that much as they generally tend to overprocess the original source but Yamaha's are all customizable allowing you to create subtle reverb or delay effects. The 663 is also unable to matrix decode DTS-HD Master 5.1 content to surround back channels using the Dolby PLIIx decoder for similar reasons.Overall I would say the Yamaha has very clean and balanced tone, almost no noise at all. Its weight has been cut by almost 30%, its now become a wimp thanks to consumers like you.OK, I implied that I won't talk long on features but I will mention one thing to get the word out.
You should hear some static noise but there should be NO humming or buzzing. YPAO certainly shines with orchestral scores but may not suit your other musical tastes. I would encourage you to listen to Vivaldi with the "Hall in Vienna" sound field parameters set to : DSP level +1dB, Room Size 1.2, Liveness 6. I don't like Denons and HKs very much because they boost lower mids. When nothing is playing, try increasing the volume to +5dB and place your ears next to your speaker's tweeters.
Only after I inserted Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" CD was I able to understand the value of YPAO. This may be an issue for gamers who set their PS3 to output RGB full range 0-255. After I first ran YPAO I didn't like it very much although it was certainly an improvement over no EQ. With a Pioneer Elite, you will get some humming around -5dB and with a Sony ES around -25dB.
Let me emphasize this is not a critical issue as DVDs and Blu-rays are not supposed to use these colors. You really have to spend some time with them, its quite amazing that the DSP programs have more reverb settings than my guitar FX pedal. The parametric equalizer's compensation looked exaggerated to me, at some points it was cutting 9dB, at others boosting 7dB (bandwidth parameters were not displayed). These values are useful for roughly calculating the point where your amplifier starts clipping.
Although I have never tested either Audyssey or Pioneer's MCACC I think people have been harsh on YPAO.
I feel like I'm sitting in a movie theater. (Do you think maybe we had it turned up a little too loud).There are lots of different connectors in the back as you can see from the pictures, but the instructions in the manual were very clear and gave different options for different situations and components. The biggest amount of time for me was just stringing the speaker wire to all the speakers and sub. Then you go through a few settings on the screen using the remote, push start and leave the room. I imagine when I have time to go through and fine tune it, it'll be even better.
She said she could feel the vibration in the floorboards. It did a great job of calibration. The sofas are about halfway back, but the sound bounces into the kitchen down at the other end. If I had a gazillion dollars to spend, I'm sure I could have found something better, but in this price range the sound and the features make it a good choice.
(We thought the calibration process was going to take a long time and we were missing a y adapter for the sub cable) The next day after calibrating the system with the sub woofer hooked up it sounded just amazing. I didn't think this kind of sound was possible in this room but it fills every nook and cranny. I bought this receiver to replace a Bose Lifestyle 28 Series III DVD Home Entertainment System which I bought about 7 years ago that stopped working. Calibrating the receiver was kind of fun. There are a lot of settings on the reciever for music, TV, movies or radio including HD.
The Yamaha and other components just blow me away with their incredible sound. The first night after hooking up all the speakers we watched a movie without calibration and it still sounded pretty darn good. (What were they thinking). Along with the receiver I got Mirage Nanosat® Prestige 5 Home Theater Speaker System 4 Nanosat Prestige satellites and 1 Nano CC center speakerand Velodyne DEQ-10R 10-Inch Powered Subwoofer (Black) We have a family room/kitchen combination that's 42 feet long and 24 feet wide with 10 foot ceilings with a lot windows on one side and a open doorways on the other, so the room is an acoustical nightmare.
The only negative opinion I have about it is that there are only 2 HDMI connectors. There's also a couple speaker connections for a "Zone 2" which could be in a separate room. I also did some research online and checked out some audiophile forums. With just the basic settings it sounds fantastic. There really are a lot of options with this thing.
After listening to this receiver in my own home, I think I made a good decision. When I bought the Bose it was an impulse buy and I didn't really look at other systems but with this one I went to several stores and listened to several receivers. This will keep me happy for a very, very long time. I guess I could get a switching device of some kind if I wanted to add more.
The Bose sounded really good to me, but it is no comparison to this new system. And the instructions for that look pretty easy, just a matter of taking the time to go through it all.We only have 5 speakers and the sub hooked up to it now, but there is room for 2 more speakers to be plugged in and also for a second sub if we ever decide to do that. It emits all sorts of weird sounds that go on for about 3 minutes and then comes up with a screen telling you it's completed. There was a movie with a plane going across the screen and my sister was upstairs and said it sounded like the plane was going across the room, beneath the floor.
Once it was all set up we screwed the little microphone that comes with it onto a photo tri-pod and placed it at ear level in the middle of the spots where we'll be sitting and watching movies.
Not real expensive for the stuff onboard and the 2nd zone feature was a plus. Sound is very crisp and have the yamaha ipod dock that gives another cool feature. Bought this unit back last summer after a bolt of lightning struck a some of my electronics. The one drawback is the few hdmi outputs- but I don't run more than two anyway. (which you can buy now for about $30)For the $ a great deal. Had an old sony receiver but it needed replacing anyway. Started reading up on what I thought were state of tech av receivers and found this jewel by accident.
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